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Re: New PC build
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 11:06:09 am »
Silence, what silence! Actually I was just going to post when the red lettering came up saying absic has beaten you to it again ;)
I agree about the graphics card(5830) being the best choice if you are a gamer as anything less will struggle especially as new games come out. A bit of future proofing too.  The processor can always be upgraded later as necessary.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 11:16:37 am »
Yes, in principal you are right DM but, I have concerns over the 5830, taking into account the higher power draw and the problems Babdi already has faced with high ambient temps in India.

In the reviews I have checked out, all of them say that the 5830 is on a par with the 5790 for performance but takes more power than the 5850. The advice I have offered with regard to using the 5550 is based on my own experiences of building AMD rigs and also the use that Babdi wants to put the PC to.

Although the 5830 does seem a better choice at first glance I am looking at the overall system capabilities and do feel that the extra money spent on it would, in fact, be better spent on the CPU. It would be much better, to my mind, in getting a good solid system up and running to do everything that is required, albeit it, at the cost of a slightly higher spec'd GPU. If needed, an upgrade to the GPU, when finances allow, is a much more cost effective route.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 11:22:22 am »
Hmm The Mantis has woken. Thank you Mantis. Logically absic has point People change Graphic card fairly often as compared to CPU; the reason being newer Graphic cards come out quicker AND newer CPU is prohibitively expensive when launched. Again changing CPU is a chore especially when it is water cooled.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 11:45:21 am »
Both points well taken. absic pass Mantis the pie now ::)
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2010, 12:04:51 pm »
No need for the pie. It is actually better to have different opinions about the choice of hardware. As I have stated on many occasions, I am not a gamer so I don't always consider this aspect fully, when putting together systems.

However, in this instance I have looked at this aspect of the build and really do feel that the 5830 will be a poor choice. As I always do, when asked what I would suggest, I consider if it was my money what would I buy? It definitely wouldn't be the 5830. If the need to play games is that much more important and money isn't the real concern, then I would say go for the 5850 which overall would be a much better choice of GPU.

It is a fine balancing act of getting a PC to cover all the bases and the big concern I have, is the fact that video editing is an important factor with this build too. A hex core CPU, coupled with a lot of RAM will allow for much better editing, rendering and conversion speeds over the X4. The GPU in this case is less important and, in fact, if all you were going to do was video work, you could save a lot of money by just using the motherboard's on-board graphics, which would be more than adequate.

The 5550 is a compromise solution, it will handle most things thrown at it, from a gaming point of view and is much easier to upgrade at a later date over the other components. The money saved by going down this route would be better spent on the hex core or even on extra HDD's as video and audio files can take up a lot of space, if the hex core is too expensive.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2010, 12:23:14 pm »
Absic I have a slightly different view as far as video editing and rendering goes. You would know that these days GPU processing power is pulled in when rendering a video;CUDA; which nVidia flaunts of. If ATI has CUDA ( I have not read CUDA being mentioned in any ATI reviews ) then going for a better graphics card would cut down rendering considerably.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2010, 12:43:46 pm »
ATI doesn't have CUDA, as far as I'm aware. The ATI version of this is Stream but, to be honest, it's not really all it's cracked up to be.

I am only using the 4850x2 and have used this card along with an X4 and 4 Gig of RAM so I have a direct comparison when it comes to the differences between the X4 and X6 and also 4 Gig v 8 Gig of RAM. With the Adobe Creative suite 5, that I use for video work, the better processor and higher RAM in the 64 bit versions of these programmes really does make a difference.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2010, 12:52:38 pm »
To be fair I would also agree with that. What babdi was saying about using the GPU number crunching power for the rendering was one of my considerations but I would agree that at the moment at least the ATI option in this field is not so good. Don't get me wrong I would choose the Radeon over the nVidea at the moment without a shadow of a doubt but not for those reasons.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 01:32:59 pm by Dark Mantis »
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2010, 01:23:55 pm »
absic
I am not sure if Adobe uses CUDA but Video studio X3 and Power director 8 does. It really makes a whale of difference.
Now that nVidia is living on laurels and  is obvious that their drivers are a disaster. I agree with Mantis on this.

Well in this part of world Intel and nVidia rules. AMD has poor visibility. The discerning understand the might of AMD. Do I see absic smiling  ;)
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2010, 01:30:56 pm »
Power Director 8 can also make use of the ATI Stream technology which has been available since the series 4*** ATI Cards. I have never tried using this software so I really don't know of it's capabilities or how well it makes use of ATI Stream.

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Re: New PC build
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2010, 07:12:33 am »
I reduced to stock speed. The idle temps hovers around 32 deg C which is about 5 deg above ambient.
Now lets look at PSUs
I have these PSU available here and prices are given against them

PSU - Corsair TX650W - 6760
PSU - Antec BP550 Plus Smps ATX12V V2.2 - 5250
PSU - Tagan Stonepack TG600-U37 600W - 4250
PSU - Zebronic 700W Platnium Series - 3950
PSU - Silverstone ST50F - 2850
PSU - FSP Saga II 500 Watts - 2400.

I do not plan to use additional HDD or GPU.

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Re: New PC build
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2010, 08:18:00 am »
Well Babdi, got to say from the PSU's you have available, I would go for the Corsair TX650. I am running with a Corsair PSU and I haven't had any problems with mine.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2010, 09:46:57 am »
From my point of view I also would go with the Corsair as I have found them to be excellent although the Tagan is a well respected PSU as well.
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2010, 11:33:39 am »
Thank you. Even I was eyeing Tagan as it was in mid range,pricewise. Tagan's reviews are not bad either.
I can use the saving to probably to go for X6,3.2 :)
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Re: New PC build
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2010, 11:42:14 am »
Yes, the Tagan does look a good option but I have a little concern over the power output. The Corsair is 650W v the Tagan's 600W. I would go for the Corsair especially as you are looking at one of the higher end graphic cards and they do seem to like a lot of power at start-up and a nice steady flow whilst running.
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