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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: nfwego on August 17, 2011, 01:40:45 am
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On Easy Tune 6...what exactly does System Temp measure. I just rebuilt with a new board that was sent back to me RMA, and I am getting higher than normal temps on System Temp under hardware monitor. I have 4 fans in the case 2 drawing air in, and 2 drawing hot air out and a stock cpu cooler. Do not overclock. Just wondering where the "system temp" sensor is so I can get more cool air to it. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Hi nfwego, ;) Welcome in the forum
If you have installled nVIDIA drivers 280.xx , remove this, because this drivers caused a big problems of instability and overheat gpu)
Find a 275.33 drivers.
Gloup_Gloup
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Thanks for the reply. I will try that suggestion. Not sure what driver I have installed.
I would still like to find out what "system temperature" is actually a measure of on this board. Anyone Else?
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The Driver I have installed is 275.33.
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Thanks for the reply. I will try that suggestion. Not sure what driver I have installed.
I would still like to find out what "system temperature" is actually a measure of on this board. Anyone Else?
Very generally refers to the Bridge or Northbridge controller
Aussie Allan
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Alan,
Thanks for replying.
Thats what I thought. I have a fan blowing right at it, but no change. Any ideas what could be causing that sensor to be getting too hot? My cpu temps are ok.
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Alan,
Thanks for replying.
Thats what I thought. I have a fan blowing right at it, but no change. Any ideas what could be causing that sensor to be getting too hot? My cpu temps are ok.
It's only as cool as the heat-sink ( thermal paste) and fan.......you could look at a refit with good goo, change to a higher performance one, or it could be just a glitch within the Bios as to how it's displayed......have you done an update resonantly.......?
Aussie Allan
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I am never sure how much Thermal material to put on. I have heard about the size of a grain of rice. And thats what I usually use. Is that right?
I think My stock cooler may not be all that great so i may go that route.
As far as the Bios, there is only a few updates and both are beta versions and I tend to stay away from those until they are proven stable. PLus the only changes they address dont affect anything I have on my pc. Plus the readings I am getting are from gigabytes Easy Tune 6. I also checked with speedfan.
I will try to cooler route.
If anyone else feels like chiming in, I appreciate the suggestions thanks.
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I put in a new intel CPU fan with factory thermal paste. While idle, my system temp is now at 50/51 C and my cpu temp is 38 C. Are these acceptable for a computer that is NOT overclocked??
They are a lot higher than my other PC running a different manufacturer board.
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I put in a new intel CPU fan with factory thermal paste. While idle, my system temp is now at 50/51 C and my cpu temp is 38 C. Are these acceptable for a computer that is NOT overclocked??
They are a lot higher than my other PC running a different manufacturer board.
CPU temp is fine........it's the system temp that seem a little high......did you try addressing this area at all.?
Aussie Allan
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I have done the following to reduce the system temp....
I have a fan blowing right on the North bridge and I put in a new cpu cooler. What else do you suggest?
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I have done the following to reduce the system temp....
I have a fan blowing right on the North bridge and I put in a new cpu cooler. What else do you suggest?
Reduced temp of any component will increase system life.......Temperature is the killer!....Northbridge after-market coolers are cheap and plentiful
I suggest you go down this road.........I'm assuming this is not a new board.......could be a sign of high load, or age......either way the temp needs to be lower if you want the board to last.
Aussie Allan
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PLease define "north bridge cooler"? I have never heard of that. What is it and where would I put it in the case ???? Can you put a newegg link to show me what you mean?
Do you mean try another/different CPU cooler? or a different type of fan?
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Is this the part I would be replacing?
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Is this the part I would be replacing?
Yes ...but no!........I forgot about the heat-pipes to the mosfets......been a while since I pulled my board apart (Full Water) so we have to work with what we have......gently pry off the top blue cover...it's held down by a polymer glue so never really goes off completely.....this cover is not really necessary as it's a convection design feature and will inhibit direct fan flow ......this will be good for a few degrees alone.
Next question......when you read the system temp at 50/51C is that as soon as you boot-up or does it steadily climb to that figure?
Point two...... have/can you test with a third party software system monitor (temps) to get a comparison.....could be BIOS is reporting it incorrectly or a crook thermistor
P.S......I'm also wondering if they had this heat-pipe off and put it back on (R&R) with not enough care with new Good thermal pads and goop on the chip
Aussie Allan
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Aussie, Thanks again for all your help just wanted to start off saying that.
Any suggestions on how best to pry off that blue cover? I am reading elsewhere online that just removing that cap will significantly drop the temperature, so we may have our problem solved by doing so. I just want to know how to do it correctly, so can you help me with instructions on how best to do it?
When it cold boots it starts around 38 then gradually rises to 50-51, and thats while idle, Im not even doing anything with it.
I am getting the same temp readings using Easy Tune 6 AND Speedfan.
Im not sure if they had the heat pipe off. This was a 2nd RMA. I originally had a rev 1.0 and sent it back twice. This is a 2.0 replacement they sent me. I rebuilt, installed windows and started getting high temps. Havent even done anything with it yet.
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Aussie, Thanks again for all your help just wanted to start off saying that.
Any suggestions on how best to pry off that blue cover? I am reading elsewhere online that just removing that cap will significantly drop the temperature, so we may have our problem solved by doing so. I just want to know how to do it correctly, so can you help me with instructions on how best to do it?
When it cold boots it starts around 38 then gradually rises to 50-51, and thats while idle, Im not even doing anything with it.
I am getting the same temp readings using Easy Tune 6 AND Speedfan.
Im not sure if they had the heat pipe off. This was a 2nd RMA. I originally had a rev 1.0 and sent it back twice. This is a 2.0 replacement they sent me. I rebuilt, installed windows and started getting high temps. Havent even done anything with it yet.
Let me dig the one I removed out of the spares and shares box in the morning for a definitive answer.....from memory it's only .8/.9mm soft Aluminum held in place with low density polymer adhesive........you just have to remember you have a chip underneath it......so a hammer and chisel is out of the question :D
Speak to you tomorrow.......Aussie Allan
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Hi
Firstly let me just make sure that you are aware that if you remove the Northbridge cooler or part of it you will lose your warranty.
Next I would advoise you to uninstal all your free software that came with the motherboard as that can cause problems on it's own.
You say you have enough fans but don't mention how they are configured or what sizes they are. Please list.
Normally you should be looking at roughly 40C for the Northbridge as over that can cause issues.
What is your ambient temperature ?
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Mantis, thanks for chiming in. I think you helped out on my first posts when I RMA'd the first board.
At this point I am not concerned with "the warranty". The only way this board is leaving the house is in the trash! This is the third time I have had to rebuild because of RMA, and I don't even overclock. I wont send it out again.
I use my machines for video transcoding. I have RMA'd twice now and what they sent me back has caused me just as many issues. This is my backup PC. In the middle of the RMA's I bought a different brand MOBO and that computer is running great.
I removed the plates. Temps are not any lower. They even got to 53C. I have 4, 120 mm fans, two blowing out surrounding the cpu, and two blowing in One on front bezel, and one on the side blowing right on the northbridge. Using a thermaltake V3 black case. Ambient temp is 70F/21C Oh...and I have the Fans set to Auto in the bios.
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Right ....found it......Double sided foam tape so you won't have a problem with warranty as well...........wedge a fine blade scew driver under the high edge and exert 1 or2 LBs of pressure.....no more......it will start moving......just keep a constant , light pressure up to it and it will pop off in good time.........if no change.........Because of the heat pipe.........not cost effective to remove as then you have the Mosfet area to contend with as well.
Beside opening a ticket with Giga for clarification as to the highish temp...........(What I would do) buy a high performance chip cooler and fan, good double sided thermal tape...... and put it directly ontop of the problem chip cooler..........might not look pretty, but probably the best option for you before water cooling........Hope this helps.
Aussie Allan
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I agree as long as the warranty isn't a concern for you now. I would remove the cover and add a dedicated fan blowing directly down on the heatsink.
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I am unsure how to mount a dedicated fan there? How would I mount it and where would I mount it too? Something has to hold it there?
Thanks to both of you for your help. I really appreciate being able to come to these forums and receive help.
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For the Chipset temperature 60 °C that is normal -> Tcase_max 100 °C
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/320840.pdf
Pierre
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For the Chipset temperature 60 °C that is normal -> Tcase_max 100 °C
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/designguide/320840.pdf
Pierre
Hiya Pierre
Intel might say 60C is a normal OT (operational temp) ...... Doesn't make it right though! ...... just like 80C is a fine OT for modern GPUs....
This is a point I will put my left knacker on again!..........The higher the temp of any component........the lower the MTBF ( Mean Time Before Failure)
This is well documented across the net........reducing temps even 10% can substantially increase product life..........why do you think so many high end player ultimately end up water cooling........I'd say half do it for the clock, but the other half do it to protect there expensive toys.
It's no mistake that most memory manufactures give life time warranty's now that heat sinks have become almost bog standard......
Now for you nfwego .... How's the boy enjoying all the attention and traffic?
The reason I suggested putting on a "Heat-sink and fan combo" is it makes it easy........the fan is already professionally matched and mounted on the sink.........adding the heat-sink to the one already installed will increase the cooling Mass/volume substantially increasing the air cooling area.........And three..........the top (new) heat-sink will be cooler then the one underneath .......... this will draw BTUs (heat) out of the lower sink more efficiently then a fan alone.........and the DIY gem is all you need is a good, high quality double sided thermal Tape........Hell, if you don't trust tape.......use thermal Epoxy
If you're a hand at PC-DIY , ....by all means, try the fan only first......you have nothing to loose except a little time ;) Hope this helps!
Aussie Allan
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Agreed Alan. I have never had this high of temps on a board...and again...thats while idling and NOT overclocked.
Attention? As I said, I really appreciate the input.
OK...I went to my local computer store and found very limited selection. Am looking online also. Does that heat pipe attach the north bridge heat sink? Or does the heat sink sit on top of it? Seems everything I find doesnt have any sort of attachment for the heat pipe assembly.
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Yes the heatpipe is attached to the Northbridge heatsink. I am not sure if it can be removed but that is getting a bit more dangerous.
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As DM stated.....Yes! it's Epoxied in (pipe in the extrusion).......I know, could not help myself pulling it apart ;D .... should see me with a thermo-nuclear device ::)
It ties the Nothbridge cooler with the Mosfet cooler via a single Alcohol wicked heat-pipe.......if you loose one you'll have to loose both.....you don't want to go their.
Online will give you better choice......as an after thought you could use some Enzotech MOS-C10 Passive Copper Ram Chipset Coolers........come in a pack of ten for a fiver....... in conjunction with the fan you already have in place ......just might do the trick.... ;)
Aussie Allan
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I have add a 10 centimeters fan to 45 degrees on the graphics card above and facing down the motherboard.
It sends air between the graphics card and the memory sticks .
The temperature of the chipset has reduced from 7 to 8 degrees
For a fan there should be more powerful but in this case the noise of the machine increases sharply
I have some good servers fan's but too much noise
Panaflow FBA12G12H ( 12 volts 06.A )
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=477
With two on the dust cover of the box all the temperatures drop 10 degrees but the sound is terrible !!
Just at this time my chipset is a 56 degrees but the temperature in the shack is 35 degrees ( it's a little heat wave right now )
Pierre
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FSBJR, Thanks for adding to the discussion.
Mantis and Allan...Just to make sure Im getting this right...the heat pipe is attached to the heatsink......soooooooo, how can I put a heatsink on there without taking them apart? Am I making sense? Wouldnt I have to find an almost identical heatsink that allows for the heatpipe to be attached? If I used the ones you reccommended (MOS-C10), what would I do with the heatpipe?
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That is as my GA-X58A-UD5 for air flow only solution is to add a fan
I think that exist a special waterblock for ICH + MOSFET for your motherboard but with many money !!
Pierre
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AS Pierre says there are watercooling options but if we dismiss those for now you could attach a heatsink and fan to the original heatsink because it will increase the mass of the cooling block as well as add the fan for extra cooling. The more mass the greater the cooling potential.
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If we have to go watercooling...Im gonna get a different board. Which may be the best solution at this point anyway.
OK...Just so I am clear...you guys are suggesting, that I DO NOT remove the original heatsink over the northbridge chip, and instead attach another heat sink and fan with a double sided thermal tape to the original heatsink. Is that correct?
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Yes I think that is the best all round solution to start with.
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With all things considered from this post........this would be the best option with the Enzotech copper sinks (MOS-C10s) a close second...... this fix will hit your wallet for between 10 and 25 dollars...........water will be ten times that for a very cheap system......... I reckon the fan and cooler will be good for 7 to 10C if fitted reasonably well.
Aussie Allan
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I will give it a try. Thanks guys for your help!!!
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You are welcome but please come back and let us know how you got on. ;)