help with new build please

[absic]

Not using the QA'd memory isn't moving forward.

So we should just stick to what Gigabyte tells us to use? That's really forward thinking!

[IceColdBeer]

I think yes, stick to QA'd memory as there is a come back for the buyer if things go wrong.    Otherwise, it's onto tech support and it'll be something like, "the memory should work but it's not QA'd".

Unless there is a really good reason not to use QA'd stuff, why not use it?

[babdi]

Okay I read absic's post to Jannie on choice of processor. Here is what I am planning to do.
Option A
Switch from 3.2 Ghz BE quad core to 1090T 3.2 Ghz hexacore, price difference = Indian Rupees 4350 ~ 60 Pounds
Option B
Switch to 2.8 GHz 1055 T,Hexacore,price difference = INR 1750 ~ 25 Pounds
Option C
Switch to 3.4 Ghz ,965 quad core,price difference = INR 1200 ~ 17 Pounds
Option D
Go for quad core 3.5 Ghz 970,price difference = INR 2050 ~ 29 pounds

Here comes the rider.
I plan to upgrade the RAM to 16 GB 1333 mhz,Gskill

The question
Best combination for a reliable OC to 4.0 Ghz. Now, will the system restrict overclocking because of 16 GB RAM ( More RAM more voltage )
Should I retain 8 GB and upgrade just the processor  

[Christoph]

I'm sorry, what was the board you wanna get??

people have had a hard time overclocking the 10xxT series to 4.0 GHz ( but able to do so at the last moment) with a motherboard like the one  absic is recommending you which I too think is a good motherboard...


but now, 8 GB against the 16 GB won't do any difference on the cpu overcloking to 4 GHz, cuz either way you gonna use the   4 slots of ram WHICH is really hard for the CPU  to KEEP STABLE, UNLESS you really keep those Memory sticks at 1333 MHz, which is not good (for my point of view of course) much more than 1333 MHz ram is gonna keep you from reaching 4 GHz CPU speed...

now with a 10xxT cpu you can reach the 4 GHz with RAM even at 1600 MHz with 4 stick (8 GB mostly), really gonna have a hard time reaching 4 GHz with the board absic recommended you


so, the better thing to do here is (in my own opinion);

get a quad core black edition and be able to reach 4 GHz
get ram 1333 MHz with the best timings you can get, 8 or 16 GB if you want

or in the other hand

get the hexacore 1090T and be able to reach 4 GHz
get RAM 1600 MHz with the best timings, 8 or 16 GB if you want   but gonna need more $ for this

in resume, to get 4 GHz cpu speed, gonna depend on the motherboard you get, cuz is mainly about stable power (Vcore) you can get to the CPU

either setup is great and way much more power than you need to do things you gonna do...

so if you wanna an advice.....   get the quadcore with the board absic says but hhmmm unable to get 4 Ghz




what did I said?

[babdi]

I already have a Gigabyte GA890GPA-UD3H. Your answer does not help me decide clearly

[Christoph]

ah ok


so, you can  upgrade to an BE of your choice in order to reach 4 GHz overclock, and you can upgrade the ram too, like I said, 8 gb or 16 gb are no different when it comes to overclock since is more like "the number of ram sticks you have", so either way you will be using 4 sticks


how many of ram sticks you have right now? is 2 x 4 GB?  2 sticks?


because 4 sticks is gonna be harder for the cpu to manage 4 sticks at 1600 Mhz, unless you upgrade to an 10xxT cpu that can manage more easily 4 sticks of ram at 1600 Mhz

[babdi]

I moved to 970 BE 3.5 Ghz
Stable at 4.218 Ghz.
Bumped NB VID 0.025 to get 4.4 !.
Temp Idle 32~33
Load 42~44
Used Tuniq TX4 thermal paste 

[Dark Mantis]

Loks like a pretty nice overclock to me. Was it not stable at 4.4GHz ?

[babdi]

Not much stable.Switched back 4.2. Reduced RAM timings to 9-9-9-24.Reduced CPU voltage to normal. Running everest stability test as I write this post.
CPU load temp 42 deg C.

Can get close to 4.3 with HTT tweak.Decided to leave at 4.2

Notice the RAM at 1600 

[Dark Mantis]

To be fair 4.2 GHz is no mean achievment and is a good amount of extra speed for free after all. As far as the memory goes I ma not sure that I would be happy running it at that speed as it can be putting your processor at risk.

[babdi]

Have been running at 1600 with 3.2 Chip at 3600 OC.No problem since 1 year

[Dark Mantis]

Maybe you have just been lucky so far but AMD don't recommend running at  anything over 1333 MHz as the memory controller built into the CPU can give up and then your chip is useless.

Have you read the article that absic produced on this issue?

http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2515.0.html

[babdi]

I have read the article. Decided to risk  
By the way 3.5 to 4.2 is not as significant compared pushing a 1090T 3.2 to 4.2, a full 1 Ghz jump.
The only positive factor is I am at stock CPU and RAM voltage at 4.2 Ghz
The other factor is thermal paste TX4  which is keeping temp lower

[Dark Mantis]

Well at least you understand the risk involved with running your memory at that speed. It is just a lot of people don't and then wonder why their computer fails for no apparent reason.

No the gain from the OC might not be massive but it is free and in my book that is the best type

[Niffler]

I notice that you have 1600 ram running at 9-9-9-24. As Dark Mantis has said running your ram at this speed isn't recommended. Why not clock the ram back to 1333 and tighten the timings. It seems that lots of clockers go for this option and the concensus is that if your ram is good enough and you can get your timings down to something like 5-5-5-15/20 the system is actually faster. (And it is running within the IMC parameters). Sometimes 1600 isn't as fast as 1333