AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition o/c

[DarkstaR]

400mhz for your use won't be noticeable: hack n' slash games, administrative works, multimedia, light audio & video encoding and internet surf... and lowering from 1,375v to 1,20v is really profitable...as your auto settings make that your 960T is at 1,375v by default...but as i said before do as you want  Anyway you wiil be early or late obliged to buy a more powerful video card for the actual games or the next generation because your poor green 9800gt isn't strong enough now... only for physics and 2D and light/old games (Doom3, HL2, far cry 1, Oblivion and wow...) My factory overclocked HD 6850 from HIS is a mid level video card which supports DX11 and can hold the last hit games with high power saving capacities... it consumes more power than yours but less than superiror nvidia and amd models...so my video card is a very good choice for those who want good performances and power saving... only one hard drive is green (the western one) i think i will buy in 1 year 1/2 a ssd for my os... concerning audio speakers i don't know i've told you the good brands but for the models you should read reviews... I have a creative 2.1 from 2005 (29w rms woofer + satellites) i think it is the inspire t3300... i'm satisfied about it but there is from time to time a big "bam" which comes from the woofer when powering on my pc and then nothing anymore...i think it is an electrical problem coming from it but not from my electrical installation... i will have to change it maybe in autumn and i will read reviews to have any idea...

[agros]

400mhz for your use won't be noticeable: hack n' slash games, administrative works, multimedia, light audio & video encoding and internet surf... and lowering from 1,375v to 1,20v is really profitable...as your auto settings make that your 960T is at 1,375v by default...

What do u mean '400mhz wont be noticeable'? The more MHz--> the better performance  
My default vcore is not 1.375, its 1.350

Anyway you wiil be early or late obliged to buy a more powerful video card for the actual games or the next generation because your poor green 9800gt isn't strong enough now... only for physics and 2D and light/old games (Doom3, HL2, far cry 1, Oblivion and wow...)

You talk like I came yesterday in the pc world. Till last year I had a 4670 card and it was able to play almost all games. Now I have 9800 which is more powerfull.
But the problem is that there are no good games today. I m tired of checking garbage and garbage
Doom3, hl2 and Far Cry are 3D, not 2D...

My factory overclocked HD 6850 from HIS is a mid level video card which supports DX11 and can hold the last hit games with high power saving capacities... it consumes more power than yours but less than superiror nvidia and amd models...so my video card is a very good choice for those who want good performances and power saving... only one hard drive is green (the western one) i think i will buy in 1 year 1/2 a ssd for my os

Yes your card has Dx11 but has no PhysX as mine, hehehe
What saving capacities? Even in idle your card spends much energy. You can undestand it from the heat.
I thought u said that u have 3 green disks.

[DarkstaR]

It's clear that 400mhz are very good to take and offer better performance but i still repeat that they won't be noticeable for your classic use  I guess that you have a few knowledge in hardware and pc world but i think i have dived in for more years than you (since about march 2004 for my case).
I do know that the old games i've listed to you are 3D i'm not silly  i wanted to say that your gainward is sooner made now for 2D: microsoft word/bureautics, internet surf as its performances are limited and it is only good to run old but of course good games (the ones i've listed above).
And for your knowledge physics (property of nvidia) isn't worth anymore as dx11 brought by seven offers the same video effects and only less than 10 games support physics... my HIS consumes only a few power in comparison with gtx 560ti/570/580 hd 6870/6950/6970 and even though it consumes more power than yours the difference isn't as big as that and everybody would choose mine than yours in spite of that 
Yes only my western digital 750gb is green...and about the actual games there are all the same very good games like: fallout3, skyrim, crysis 1&2, battlefield and more...it's no use living in the past !!! I just would like a doom 4 !!

[agros]

My friend...

I dont need  3GHz, you say, for my classic use. And whats my classic use, do u know it? Classic use for you is when you dont play games? Usually I run many applications at the same time and of course I want speed.
So you r from 2004, I m from 2002 but this is not really important. When u say that soon or later I ll need another card, its like it was my first card... I have exactly the card I need. Strong enough for games and green enough to be fanless. Its a unique upgrade from 4670, there was not something better. I got it 15 months ago and it was brand new.
The games who use PhysX are not 10... The games who use Dx11 are 10  Have u tried a game with/without PhsyX? Theres a great difference.
Of course everyone would choose your card than mine, but I m not everyone, I m special Do u see my system? No fan at all. Does your system sound like a pneumatic drill?  
Dont repeat fallout, I told u no strategies, rpg, adventures. I ve checked already crysis and battlefield, single game is garbage. No one lives in the past, its just that companies today r unable to create good gameplay, only superb graphics to excuse the expensive cards. Thats not what we want. And dont be so sure that Doom4 will be same good as Doom3.

[Ben]

Hi Agros,

The main thing is that everyone has their  own interpretation as to how their system should work, which is a good thing, as we would all be using the same settings/software/hardware, real boring.

I mainly use mine for editing, photo/music/video.

The same with gaming  ( I don't do games) each to their own, I have friends who play online.

As for power costs, I am lucky as I have a solar panel setup, 11 panels = 3.5 kwhs.

People are here to help one another, admittedly we can't please everyone, so try & be kind.

Ben.

[agros]

Hi Ben, I m as kind as my interlocutor is. Its unfair to blame only me.
What exactly is your problem? Maybe u didnt hear what u d like to hear in this thread? Or u havent ever read it?

[DarkstaR]

It's no point being angry Agros you've lost the party 
I'm joking of course... Being fanless is very nice (i've already had about early 2008 two fanless Msi Geforce 8600 gts in sli mode for 1 year 1/2) they were quite powerful in sli mode but consumed more power than a mi-leved card and the fact that they were fanless i had to add 2 120mn fans... Whereas that my actual rig i've got no additional fans only the one of the graphic card, the cpu fan and the psu fan... My rig is very silent i hear the 3 hdd above all... Concerning physics effects are above all brought by vista & seven the user only shall use a dx10/11 graphics card to have the same effects... concerning video reading/encoding the last radeon series have a better render/video engine than the last nvidias... concerning the games hack n' slash games that you are playing are action/adventures all the same...

[agros]

My rig is very silent i hear the 3 hdd above all...

So u totally have 3 fans in your system? How many rpm and what temps? I guess 3 fan plus 3 disks are noisy enough.
I only have a slipstream 120''  in the back of the case(exhaust) in order to take out the hot air. Its just 500rpm and case has sound insulation, so I never hear it.

Do u know what PhysX is?...
Adventure games and action games r different kind of games.

[DarkstaR]

Yes i do have 3 fans in my system the ones i've told you...the speed of them vary according to the temp/charge (from 0 to 2200 for the cpu fan) i know what physx is don't worry but i repeat only a few games can benefit from it... yes there's a difference between action and adventures games you just have to try oblivion/skyrim and you will love them !! So i've reduced from 5 to 4 cores now and they run at 1,325v @ 14,5x245 for normal mode and 15,5x245 @ 1,425v for performance boost mode 

[agros]

I guess that the speed of psu is stable, but if its  adjustable  u never have 0 rpm.
Is your cpu fan able to have 0 rpm? are you sure? How do u do that?
As I said the games with PhysX are many, the games with Dx11 are only a few. Check a game with/without PhysX, the difference is important.
I ve tried some adventures/rpg/strategies, never found them attractive so I permanently exclused them from the menu
I wonder why do u have 2 more disks to roll all the time. I have more disks for my files in another system, which mostly works as 'downloading device' and is greener(Sempron 140 40W, Ati 5450 19W). Do u have seperate system for your downloadings too, or you use the same pc?

[DarkstaR]

Hi man,

No the fan of my legendary tpnew 650w is adjustable but cannot hit "0" i guess the mini should be 200 rpm till 2000-2500 rpm for the max... however the 92 mm fan of my OCZ Gladiator cpu cooler can hit "0" during the 1st 20-30s after booting up my system...concerning my 3 hdd i would like to change them for one 2to (seagate or western d) plus one ssd for the system but for the moment it won't be my priority....I only have this pc which serves me to play, download, stock movies/mp3s/pics and work a little bit and encode mpg2 dvd movies to divx...Concerning games Skyrim is the dx11 game of the year you should try it or begin with Oblivion (dx9) it would be amazing that you shouldn't like those 2 games !!

[agros]

however the 92 mm fan of my OCZ Gladiator cpu cooler can hit "0" during the 1st 20-30s after booting up my system...

It would be better to hit 0 rpm during the day, when u r idle, for examble when u post here.

I only have this pc which serves me to play, download, stock movies/mp3s/pics and work a little bit and encode mpg2 dvd movies to divx...

You said... "only"?
Why dont u use another system for downloading/stock? You can also connect this system to your lcd/plasma TV in order to watch movies, as I do.
Minimum cost, great benefits

Concerning games Skyrim is the dx11 game of the year you should try it or begin with Oblivion (dx9) it would be amazing that you shouldn't like those 2 games !!

I checked Oblivion a couple of years ago.
I ve promised myself never look again adv/strat/rpg

[DarkstaR]

Yes i said "only" as i think it is a classic use of my pc...i don't want external hard disk to stock my files as all is external can be lost whereas my Antec case which contains my hdd's won't be losable  
I realize i've mistaken my pc has booted up for 13mn and my Gladiator is still hitting "0" it shows that my 960t in spite of its 1,35v (turbo core disabled cool and quiet on and o/c at: 15x240 @ 4 cores) doesn't load many watts  
Concerning games what titles do you like ?
Here is the link of the "0" of my cpu fan after 13mn http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/gladiator1j.jpg/

[agros]

Its hard to see that image because of an advertisement in the middle. But point is fan be able to make 0 rpm again during the day. Is there any program which can do that? I was looking about this, before I give a better solution---> fanless heatsink 
Do u have wireless connection?
The games I like r fps, action, driving, sport.
I didnt speak about external disks. I gave u an easy smart solution--> Use your main pc with ssd and the rest of  powerful hardware. Make another pc with cheap, green material. Keep there your files. Connect it to a TV via hdmi cable. Work this system 24h. Use Remote Desktop Connection to enter. U wont need keyboard,mouse,speakers,floppy,dvd,fans,monitor.

[DarkstaR]

Thanks for your advises my dear....the soft i'm using is hwmonitor 118 free edition... i have wireless connection (hercules usb key)...concerning your driving games did you try the dirt series ?